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und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar Special in der Programmierbar. Ich bin Dennis Becker, wir haben am Start Ja, Morg. Und Dave Acker, Dave Krzitzky. Genau. Und wir haben uns ja zum Ziel gesetzt, wenn wir Konferenzen besuchen, die ein bisschen für euch einzuordnen und ein bisschen unsere Eindrücke zu schildern. Und wir waren letzte Woche wieder auf 1 Konferenz und zwar auf der We are Developers. Yes. Das stimmt halt aber gar nicht, ne. Ich meine, ihr seid beide keine Developers, also was macht ihr da? Stimmt. Ja, da reden wir gleich drüber, warum trotzdem auch für uns genügend Inhalte dort Das passt. Oh, Cliffhanger. Aber vielleicht starten wir erst mal son bisschen zum paar Fakten außen rum das ganze Ding. Es war die zehnjährige zehnjährige Ausgabe, die Wie viele Jahre? Vierjährige. 10 Jahre. 10 Jahre. Ja, gibt es die via Developers jetzt. Vor 10 Jahren ist sie wohl in Wien gestartet, haben sie dort geteilt. Es waren 300 Leute, die dort waren und sie hatten 10 Speaker und Zoom in das Jahr 2025. Es ist die größte Entwicklerkonferenz. Weltweit laut der Bienen. Welt, glaub weltweit tatsächlich. Ja, wobei also. Also die AWS Konferenz ist deutlich größer. Ich wollte gerade sagen, die Google Sachen, die waren die waren alle viel größer, aber ist egal. Ja, vielleicht eine nicht firmenorientierte Entwicklermesse. Oh, das kann sein. Oder vielleicht auch nur Europa Ja, wir sehen auch der größte Podcast Stimmt. Für App- und Webentwickler in In Deutschland. In Deutschland. Ganz genau. Also, ach so, also es geht Schönreden dann. Die. Weiß ich nicht. Egal. Also, es Ja. Fakt ist, es ist ziemlich groß. Ich schreiben etwas von 15000. Ist schon viel. Ja. Ich kenn nicht mal 15000 Leute, glaube ich. 15000 Teilnehmenden. Es gibt unendlich viele Tracks, also ich glaub, es gibt so was wie 14 Bühnen, Ja. Die parallel stattfinden. Dazu auch noch parallel Workshops, glaube ich, ne? Workshops gibt's auch noch. Die aber direkt ausgebucht waren, also vor 'ner halben Stunde waren die Ja, das wird gar nicht richtig Dessert, irgendwie. Genau. Also richtig, richtig viel los. Und in Berlin Auch sehr viele Ausstellungen. Messegebäude oder in den Messehallen in Berlin, im CityQ. CUBE CityQ. Und ja, richtig, große Aussteller und das ist dann auch auch 'n bisschen anders als auf keinen Konferenz. Das halt wirklich wie auf 'ner Messe. Also die haben halt große Stände, viel viel Marketing. Was auch gleichzeitig bisschen pain ist, weil sie halt auch teilweise Konferenzen auf dem Messegelände haben und dann ist es schon oft sehr laut. Bei Menschen haben sie ja dieses Prinzip mit den Kopfhörern gehabt, also wie so Silent Talk, wie eine Silent Disco Silent Talk. Das war ganz cool, aber auf anderen Bühnen gab's das halt nicht und da war's schon sehr ablenkt. Also ich fand's schon manchmal sehr anstrengend auch. Ja. Also was, was Karel grade referenzierte, war einfach, dass in den gleichen Hallen, in einem großen Hallen, wo auch die Sponsoren sind, sind außen rum auch noch Bühnen praktisch einfach in der gleichen Halle angeordnet. Ich hab's nicht ganz so, also wenn ich nicht da gewesen wäre, hätte ich, glaub ich, nicht ganz verstanden. Danke. Genau. Genau. Aber ich weiß nicht, ob Du's noch vom letzten Jahr in Erinnerung hast, Dennis, aber das war schon besser geregelt. Also ich hätt zum Beispiel Viel besser. Was? Viel besser. Viel besser. Also genau, ich also damals waren die Talks dann wirklich offen so. Mittlerweile wurden da so Vorhänge gemacht, aber es war 'n bisschen isoliert ist. Also es war dadurch deutlich weniger ablenkend. Man konnte den Talks viel besser zuhören. Und Du hast gesagt, das gab's letztes Jahr, aber das mit dieser dieser mit diesen Silent Talks, also quasi, dass Du Kopfhörer aufsetzen konntest und dann direkt den Speaker so in deinen Ohren hattest, das sollte es angeblich letztes Jahr schon geben, hab ich gar nicht wahrgenommen. Also siehst Du mal, war das sehr auffällig? Gab's sicher, ja. Und letzte Jahr hab ich's nicht wahrgenommen. Das fand ich megagut. Das war das war wirklich sensationell. Also was für mich der große, aber wir steigen sehr, sehr kreuzo quer ein in diesem Fall. Ich wollt grad sagen, sorry. Das war natürlich tatsächlich letztes Jahr, ich weiß gar nicht, ob wir eine Folge dazu gemacht haben, aber ob's einfach nur intern besprochen haben. Wir waren jetzt nicht so begeistert letztes Jahr von AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW sie haben irgendwie die Kapazitätsplanung, wer auf welcher Bühne spricht und deswegen wie viele Leute braucht, irgendwie besser hinbekommen. Denn letztes Jahr war ganz oft der Fall, es waren spannende Talks auf kleinen Bühnen, die dann völlig überfüllt waren, wo man stehen musste Mhm. Irgendwohin dran, kaum was gesehen hat. Also das ganz oft die Situation. Das hat man hier und da jetzt immer noch gesehen, Genau. Dass das passiert ist, aber nicht gefühlt nicht so der Standard, dass es sich, dass es sich nervig angefühlt hat, in sonem Talk zu gehen, sondern das war schon irgendwo besser organisiert. Ich hatte schon aufm Platz, also einmal, ich muss noch einmal stehen, läuft. Ja, aber Du warst ja eher auf, glaube ich, den größeren Nee, ich war viel auf den Kleinen. Ich war viel unten. Das sind aber auch die größeren noch. Also die kleinen waren diese Stage 11, 12, 13 so. Waren wirklich nur in sonem Zwischengang unter den Treppen. Also die waren die waren wirklich klein. Was? Nee, da war's auch. Ach so, da war's auch. Ja, wir haben uns echt erstaunlich wenig gesehen, ne. Also Das stimmt. Wir haben uns schon wenig gesehen. Das find ich aber auch tatsächlich ganz, das hat mir sehr gut gefallen. Ich hab mir wenig gesehen. Das war mein Highlight eigentlich, nicht so wenig mit euch. Nein, aber Let's go. Auch wenn man so als Unternehmen überlegt, ne, fährt man jetzt mit mehreren Leuten auf eine Konferenz. Das ist dann manchmal völlig fraglich, wenn's irgendwie einen Track gibt und dann hören sich 5 Leute genau das Gleiche an und es ist nicht so der maximale Wissensgewinn und Transfer. Hier ist einfach die Auswahl so riesig. Mhm. Ja, man man kann nicht alles sich irgendwie, also bei Weitem, nur ein Bruchteil von dem, was angeboten wird, sich anhören. Und von daher, ja, haben wir uns halt auch sehr unterschiedliche Dinge rausgesucht, zu denen wir dann marschiert sind. Ja. Ja und auch, also wir waren ja auch für die Programmierer da und hatten noch Merch dabei, Keinen eigenen Stand, deswegen alles im Rucksack. Aber für mich war das schon noch son bisschen Ziel, halt aktiv dafür zu network. Und das funktioniert für mich deutlich, dass wenn ich alleine unterwegs bin, weil dann bekomm ich halt irgendwann Lust, einfach mit Leuten zu quatschen. Und sonst würd ich das eigentlich immer nur mit euch machen, was ja sehr viel Spaß macht, aber dann fehlt halt so der, mit irgendwem Mama zu quatschen. Ja. Deswegen fand ich das ganz gut. Es hat gepasst. Wir haben uns zum Mittagessen getroffen. Mhm. Das war gut. Direkt so den den größten Bamer, weil Du gerade Mittagessen sagst, oder mach's am Ende vorher. Ach so, ja, nee, genau. Lass da ganz kurz rein. Das wär man jetzt auch noch erwähnt, ja. Ja, es ist halt son bisschen nervig. Ich versteh auch nicht, ich muss ehrlich gesagt, ich verstehe nicht genau, was es macht. Natürlich kostet irgendwie Essen auch viel, wenn Du's organisierst, aber es ist de facto so, die Tickets am Ende, jetzt grade gibt's Early Bird von nächstes Jahr, aber die kosten irgendwie, weiß ich nicht was, 700, 100 Euro, 100 Euro irgendwie so in den Range, also wirklich nicht nicht wenig und es sind halt keine Getränke und kein Essen inkludiert, so. Ah, es gibt fairerweise einen Wasser Ja, einen Wasserspender. Wahrscheinlich, weil das machen muss. Genau. Leute dürfen nicht sterben, so. Aber da war halt auch eine Riesenschlange im Moment. Ja, das war, also hat sich nicht gelohnt. So. Und dann gibt's halt völlig überteuerte Food Trucks, die rumstehen, wo halt son normales Hauptgericht irgendwie 15 Euro plus kostet und da auch Riesenschlangen sind, so, ne, also mit 15000 Leuten, klar, ist schwierig, aber irgendwie fühlt man, also natürlich ist das nicht so das Wichtigste in der Konferenz, ne. Es gibt irgendwie Talks und das sind die Inhalte, wofür man irgendwie da ist. Aber das ist trotzdem, ich glaube für viele irgendwie von derfthema, dass man sich erstens darum kümmern muss, zweitens dafür anstehen muss, drittens überteuerte Preise zahlen muss und irgendwie auch keine Alternativen hast. Du kannst jetzt nicht weggehen davon im Gelände und hast dann direkt irgendwas Cooles, sondern ja bist irgendwie darauf angewiesen. Das macht halt also schon einiges mit deinem Wohlbefinden so ne. Also irgendwie denk ich so, ey ist ja Alter, ich hab aber grad Durst, ich hab Hunger und so. Und irgendwie merkt dadurch, manchmal werd ich unruhig und kann da eigentlich den Talks auch gar nicht so zuhören. Und damit er beschäftigt so, okay, wie krieg ich das was zu essen, wie kann ich jetzt trinken, anstatt da wirklich mich auf die Talks komplett einzulassen. Hat trotzdem gut funktioniert, aber ich finde, dass es trotzdem, so sone kleine Ebene ist das schon. Hattest Du besser. Ja. Ich werd ja nicht so krümelig, aber es war schon so, wo ich dachte, oh. Ja, ja. Ach, keine Ahnung, zumindest so was wie kostenloser Kaffee oder so, also, keine Ahnung. Ja. Man würde denken bei dem Budget. Es ist halt einfach 'n anderes Feeling, also auf den Konferenzen wohlspinnen, wo das Essen einfach dabei ist, fühlt sich viel besser an. So, es ist wie son All inclusive Hotel, ist einfach, ist schon geiler. Und auch, dass ich die einzige Konferenz, wo es das nicht kostenlos gab, stimmt. Stimmt. Ja, stimmt. Ich glaub, vor allem bisher, wo ich war, gab's immer was for free. Aber das ist ja nicht die die Hauptsache, denn was ich aber richtig geil fand, wo Du gesagt hast zum Beispiel auch, Warteschlangen und wie etwas überlasses ist und so was alles, was ich megageil fand, ich weiß nicht, wie aktiv ihr das genutzt hat, aber tatsächlich die diese diese Webapplikation von der Wire Developmenters, die fand ich sehr geil, weil nicht, dass man da auch nur also die Talks und sowas alles speichern konnte und sehen konnte, wohin man als nächstes muss und so, sondern ich fand auch wirklich geil so dieses, hey, gerade ist das oben überlaufen, geht mal lieber unten hin und sowas alles. Oh es regnet gerade, geht mal rein. Ach diese Also es gab dann auch mal so Notications, die dann auch total praktisch waren, son bisschen auch das organisiert und strukturiert haben, sodass ich wusste, okay, jetzt stehen grade alle oben, dann gehe ich nach unten hin und da war alles frei so. Das war, das war schon mega schlau gemacht. Also ich war eigentlich echt sehr zufrieden auch mit der Erfahrung mit der App, die Sie angeboten haben. Ja. Jetzt kommen ein Gewitter. Jetzt kommt ein Gewitter, das Bühnen, die draußen sind. Ja. Was ist auch sehr gefallen? Die haben ja bei manchen Bühnen diese Livestreams gehabt. Über Youtube haben sie's gemacht und das hat so gut funktioniert. Ich hab teilweise einmal, ja, als ihr auf dem Messegelände wart, mich dabei war, hab ich erst son Talk einfach mit Kopfhörern gehört, der grad so live war, weil ich dachte, oh, da will ich's eigentlich hin, aber der war zu weit weg. Ja. Das hat super funktioniert. Also ich war, das war die beste Erfahrung, was das dann geht, die ich bis jetzt hatte mit soner App auch. Ja. Und natürlich auch, dass Du bei den Talks auch dann Fragen stellen konntest so, also in der App. Also vielleicht 'n Standard so, sag ich mal. Da hab ich noch gedacht, das find ich auch ziemlich cool, aber meistens wurden die Fragen dann gar nicht gestellt, weil keine Zeit war. Und hätt's richtig cool gefunden, hätten die Vortragenden danach irgendwie diese Fragen noch bisschen abgearbeitet und hätten noch so drauf geantwortet oder so. Das wär so geil, weil es hatte erst, ich hatte nur so 2, 3 Fragen, die wurden halt überhaupt nicht beantworten, aber war schon auch 'n bisschen so sehr. Ja. Das fand ich auch damals bei der NTJS eigentlich ganz cool geregelt, dass Fragen gestellt wurden und andere Leute, die Fragen hoch- oder runterworten konnten. So, Ach so. Das so? Ja, ja, dass manche Sachen nicht doppelt gestellt werden oder so Fragen, die besonders cool sind, dann eher gestellt werden so. Und das hat da son bisschen gefehlt, Du hast so deine Frage abgeschickt und dazu gar kein Feedback Aber es ist mit Sicherheit auch irgendwo natürlich 'n Ding der Speaker oder der Kommunikation dort. Also es waren halt, ich mein, auf soner Konferenz darfst Du die halt nicht leisten, irgendwie mega zu ziehen. Du musst sehr hart im im im im Zeitplan bleiben. Ja. Und was man ja auch sagen muss, die sind tendenziell ja relativ kurz. Also sind alle Vorträge sind haben einen 30 Minuten Slot ganz ganz wenig Ausnahmen. Ja. Und das ist ja für einen Talk gar nicht so lang. So und in diesen 30 Minuten ist auch die Zeit für Q und A Ja. Mit drin. Das heißt, Du musst eigentlich, wenn Du Fragen beantworten willst, musst Du als Speaker in zielen auf 25 Minuten Talk, Ja. Was dann schon gar nicht mehr so viel ist. Genau. War das so? Ach ja. Ach ja. Schon mit dann und dann immer 10 Minuten Wechsel zwischen den Ja, und zwischen zwischen den Talks hat man 10 Minuten Zeit, von 1 Bühne zur anderen zu rennen. Ja, das ist schon 'n bisschen Quatsch. Ah, okay, krass. Ja. Ja, das stimmt. Aber dafür kriegen Sie viel runter. Ja, ist auch fair. Was gibt's denn so an Inhalte? Ja, also 80 Prozent AI, obwohl sie heißen ja auch, glaub ich, Tech- und AI Event sozusagen. Also sie schreiben das so schon auch aus. Ah. Wundert mich nicht, aber hätte mich auch nicht gewundert, wenn's kein, also wenn's nicht ausgeschrieben wär. Ich glaub, das ist grad Riesenthema. Und es waren bestimmt 80 Prozent AI Themen. Lustig war dann, dass ich so einen Talk gesehen hab, Blockchain. Wie entwickelst Du den Blockchain? Ich war so, hä. Ach Gott, Max. Hat der so 3 Jahre gepennt oder so? Also es gab schon noch 'n paar Talks, die auch nichts damit zu tun hatten, die waren schon auch interessant. Mhm. 'N paar davon hab ich gehört, die für mich relevant waren, auch sehr gut. Da ging's dann zum Beispiel oder auch Metathemen, fand ich auch sehr cool, zum Beispiel einfach so Geschichten von 'nem Start-up, also was musst Du mitbringen, 'n erfolgreiches Start-up in der jetzigen Zeit irgendwie gründen zu können und so. 1, der über das Medium Gaming einfach gesprochen hat, sehr cool. Wissen wir jetzt wieder, wie er heißt? Ja, Warren Spector. Warren. Spencer. Na, Spector. Nein, Spencer. 100 Prozent Spencer. Okay, ich sag 100 Prozent nichts. Warren Spector, der zum Beispiel verantwortlich ist für die Deus-X-Reihe. Da werden ihn wahrscheinlich viele her kennen, aber auch noch andere Klassiker, die weit vor meiner Geburt reichen. Grade, schau gerade nach. Ja, es Warren Spector. Ich dachte, Du hast nicht so. Lass mich mal Warren Spector. Warren Spector. Ja gut. Let's go. Let's go. Ja. Und der andere, der aus 'ner Autogrammstunde heißt Meinst Du John Romero? Ja. Ja. Ach, ein Urgestein, eine Legende. Genau. Ja, das ist halt son Ding, aber na ja, machen wir erst mal inhaltlich 'n bisschen. Ja, inhaltlich. Ja. Okay, fertig. Das, nein, es schneidet es auch an. Die Größe der Konferenz erlaubt Ihnen halt auch ziemlich coole Persönlichkeiten einzuladen, so ne. Das sind sind halt Leute, die jetzt nicht auf jedes Event kommen, aber die dann denken, ey, da sind 15000 Leute, die da rumhängen, da kann ich mich mal sehen lassen. Ein gibt's verschiedenste Beispiele, also ist glaube ich aus den unterschiedlichen Bereichen, wem man da irgendwie spannend oder interessant findet. Die Keynote hat Thomas Domke, das ist CEO von Github, gehalten, so. Der ist jetzt auch nicht auf jeder Konferenz und hält überall seine Vorträge. Ja. Er tut einem 'n bisschen leid in diesem Fall, denn er hat vor 3 Jahren schon mal die Keynote gehalten und damals sogar den GitHub Co Pilot vorgestellt auf der Julia Developer, also war so das Launch Event Mhm. Dafür. Und sie hatten ein paar Schwierigkeiten mit der Demo damals und das haben sie diesmal in der, hat er diesmal in der Demo in der Keynote auch thematisiert. Und dann ist praktisch alles, was fehlschlagen konnte, ist danach auch fehlgeschlagen, ja. Aber er hat's nicht selber gemacht. Er hat dann jemand anderes geholt und gesagt, Du machst jetzt Genau. Du bist derjenige. Du machst jetzt live cool und Du bist nicht noch mal und der hat's dann komplett abbekommen. Genau. Ja, das war traurig. Aber aber auch coole Crowd muss man sagen. Ja. Also, ne, es hat nicht funktioniert und ich glaub, dem ging echt schon die Pumpe dann auf der Bühne und dann haben wir aber alle applaudiert und haben dann mal Hype gemacht so. War dann auch schön zu sehen. Es war irgendwie dann doch. Also vielleicht Das war auch wieder son Moment für mich, wo wo man so sieht, wie unterschiedlich auch irgendwo so der Kenntnisstand und der Status von künstlicher Intelligenz da draußen ist, weil das war, ne, es ging jetzt da, also der hat nichts Neues vorgestellt. Es ging letztendlich den Cloud Agent, den Sie haben, eigenständig Tasks zu machen und das andere war, was hat der live versucht zu machen? Das war der lokale Agent, ne? Genau, genau. Also einmal der der Cloud Endch, der lokale Agent. Das wollten die da zeigen, einfach nur wie gut es geht, ne? Also Genau, die wollen Snape. Genau, 'n Snape Game. Genau, 'n Snape zu 'nem Games, soner Games Suite hinzufügen. Ja. Aber ich war der Engine halt lokal, ja. Genau, hinter uns zum Beispiel waren halt Leute, die ich dann so flüstern haben hören, so so, oh krass, ne voll, das geht schon und so was. Also, wo immer die ja unterschiedliche Level sind so von, okay, wir haben's jetzt auch mit den AI News und so vielleicht relativ aufm Schirm, was so möglich ist. Ja. Und für andere ist das noch völlig, wow, vielleicht auch noch mal mehr enttäuschend, wenn's dann in dem Fall nicht funktioniert hat, aber ja. Ja, hier, wie heißt der? Wolfgang Irgendwas, der CTO von Amazon Meinst Du Werner Vogels? Was hab ich gesagt? Wolfgang. Wolfgang. Werre. Der Werner, genau. Ja, auch sehr großer Name. Aber da war da waren wir gar nicht. Ich war da. Was? Ja, ich war da. Ja. Jein, Du warst bei dieser bei dem Panel? Ach so, ja, ich war nicht bei seinem Talk, sondern bei seinem, genau, einfach so. Ja, da war noch 'n eigener Talk. Genau. Schon bei meinem Umfeld. Philipp Schmid. Philipp Schmid. Der ganz großen. Ich weiß nicht, ob ihr den kennt, ganz großer bei Google. Ja. Tatsächlich hab ich hab ich ja herausgefunden Platz 1 LinkedIn Influencer in Deutschland, was so Tech und IT Sachen angeht. Durch dieses durch diesen Post von der Influencerin da? Ja, genau. Aber wer bewertet das denn? LinkedIn. Nee, nee, nee. Ist eine Externe. Ach so. War verlinkt, ist 'n Externe. Aber haben die einfach selbst gebracht? Nein. Ja, jetzt nur Externe Webseite, die das Okay. Ranks und so weiter. Props Props Props Props, wo er steht. Was? Kann ich mich da aussehen? Kann man da hinsehen? Wer wer war noch da, Dennis? Einen großen. Ja. Ich erinnere mich noch an den Andreas, Andreas Blattmann. Andreas Blattmann. Andi. Andi, er hat sich als Andi vorgestellt. Andi, der Co Founder von Black Forest Labs. Genau. Genau. Vielleicht kommt er auch noch mehr, wer weiß? Vielleicht kommt auch noch was in den Podcast hier. Das war ja auch 1 unserer Ziele. Mhm. Ich weiß nicht, ob Irrtum Tobias Schlottke, der auch CTO und Co Founder von OMR ist, auch Herr in Deutschland irgendwas, was man 'n bisschen größer kennt. Ihr habt ja auch sone riesige Konferenz in Hamburg und Podcasts et cetera, so. Hat man vielleicht auch mal gehört. Ja, und viele, viele andere große Namen, keine Ahnung, Mercedes war mit ihrer CIO dort und dem CSO, wobei ich gar nicht weiß, SU, ist das Software? Und Chief Software, weiß ich nicht. Und dem CLA. Und dem CLA auf Mercedes Benz. Sales Officer. Was ist 'n bis Sales? Sales. Okay, es ist Sales. Ja, die hatten auch 'n, tatsächlich hatte Mercedes 'n ziemlich großen Stand, wo sie ein 1 ihrer Autos mitgebracht haben und die haben wir nicht gemacht, aber ich fand's interessant, dass man's auf 'ner Messe machen kann. Die hatten irgend eine Apple Vision Pro Experience und da hatten sie 5 oder 6 Apple Vision Pros mit und die könnte man sich dann aufziehen und da irgendwie so in diesem Messestand rumlaufen. Da waren irgendwie so 5 Leute und es sah super okkord aus, wie die sich da rumbewegt haben. Und irgendwie, das sah nicht natürlich aus, wie sie sich bewegt haben. Die haben irgendwas immer angefasst, immer auf Brusthöhe. Ja. Hat man so Quietschbewegung gemacht. Ich weiß nicht, was sie getan haben. Was? So. So. Gibt's denn noch was inhaltlich, was ihr mitgenommen habt und wo ihr so sagt, ach, das war megacool, das mal so zu hören? Ja, gab es. Frage beendet. Nee, also ich Was ihr teilen könnt. Ich mein, das sind da Dinge, wo wir uns ja teilweise auch überschnitten haben, Dennis. Was ich cool fand auch, obwohl's eine Entwicklerkonferenz ist, überwiegend. Ja. Dass es ja durchaus so Leadership Talks gab, auch irgendwie so Harring Talks und so was alles. Wie machst Du son Fit irgendwie in deinem Unternehmen und so was alles. Also sehr, sehr viele coole Sachen auch in die Richtung. Genau, vielleicht da auch tatsächlich, es gibt außen rum, gibt es einen sogenannten HR Summit und einen Tech Leader Summit, die auch einfach dort stattfinden, aber die noch mal son bisschen wie eine Art Rahmenprogramm außen rum haben. Aber da gab's dann auch noch mal 2 Bühnen. Die sind dann schon, die sind ja, da kann jeder hin sozusagen, aber sie waren nicht auf dieser Hauptagenda mit drauf, weil sie vielleicht Angst haben, dass dann zu viele Leute da hinkommen oder so, weiß nicht genau, was das, was der Case dafür ist. Was meinst Du über Hauptagenner? Also Also es gab, also ich hab Nee, es gab ja auf der Webseite gab es eine große Matrix an Uhrzeit und Stages. Ja. Und auf dieser Übersicht gab es die beiden Stages nicht. Die dadrin an. Die Du hast recht? Separat. Du hast recht? Stage 12 und 13 fehlen? Ja. Ach Du ja, ja. Nee, also es gab ja noch Stage. Stimmt, die ist auch nicht drauf. Und ich glaube, es gab noch eine, die HR irgendwas Stage. Ja, ah ja, krass. Okay, dann waren sie echt wirklich viel mehr. Also und das sind dann noch mal, genau, so Satellitentevents praktisch, die gleichzeitig dort stattfinden und 'n bisschen anderes Publikum ansprechen sollen oder ansprechen. So. Mhm. Also ich würde schon sagen, dass alle, die irgendwie halt mit Tech was zu tun haben, man muss nicht zwangsweise Programmierer, Programmiererin sein, dort was zu finden, sondern alles, was halt in dem Space irgendwie ist, gibt es schon viel Angebot, was spannend sein kann für einen. Seh ich auch so. Mhm. Und tatsächlich, ich ich mag das, dieses messeartige auch an die Stände zu gehen. Man kann Fidget Spinner gewinnen. Das war sehr cool. Ich war fand unter anderem auch cool, dass wir bei NIO waren, Dennis und ich. Ja. Da noch mal was Du eurer Probefahrt ist. Stimmt, die die Proben haben uns ja noch geantwortet. Ja, das waren ja auch dumme Zeiten, die die da vorgeschlagen haben, aber genau die Profivart müssen wir machen. Aber es war irgendwie cool, sich ins Auto reinzusetzen und einfach so die Dinger da auszutesten. Das war Muss man vielleicht dazu sagen, dass wir beide den interessant fanden privat, ihn vielleicht irgendwann mal zu kaufen und uns beiden zu teuer war, aber es ist 'n cooles Auto und da hatten wir die Möglichkeit, das mal anzufassen. Ja. Das Auto, das Auto anfassen. Ja, genau. Ja, ich bin son bisschen, irgendwo ist es mir dann auch schon fast wieder son bisschen zu groß, weißt Du, dann da anzustehen, irgendwie mit dem zu reden und oder irgendwo, das ist dann son bisschen, natürlich reißen die Leute sich dann auch auf die wenigen kostenlosen Dinge, die es gibt. Also keine Ahnung, TikTok hatte einen Frozen Joghurt so, da war dann halt sone 50 Meter Schlange. Und da am Tag davor auch diesen Beutel, den ich nicht bekommen habe und ich wollt dir unbedingt diesen Beutel haben. Ja, das war die größte Frechheit, ey. Ja. Und sonst der TikTok Stand war 'n bisschen weird, weil es war das war eine riesige, also sie hatten son Plakat dort 10 Meter hoch, 10 mal 5 Meter, riesig alles und das stand son kleines Autochen, was Frozen Joghurt vergeist hat. Also das war der ganze Stand. Das war der ganze Stand. Ich hab das nicht verstanden und der wurde das nicht verstanden und wurd sogar eingetrichtert. Also es gibt am Tag, wo's vorher irgendwie was gewesen sei, weil es gab ja diese TikTok Taschen, aber vielleicht waren die nach 3 Stunden einfach durch und haben gesagt, so, ja und ab. Vielen Dank. Das heißt, weil sie's nicht brauchen. Schön war's. Wir brauchen noch die Rücksäcke von Dash Zero. Ja. Die müssen wir auch noch kriegen. Die waren auch aus. Das passt. Ja. Yes. Aber Was? Ich geborene dir, ich geborene dir den Punkt auch recht. Jetzt, wo ich auch grade so den direkten Vergleich vor Kurzem da auf der NTJS in Mannheim hatte. Mhm. Irgendwie so dieses kleinere Vertraute, ne, also 15000 Leute versus 300 oder so, was ungefähr, ist es, macht schon irgendwie was so. Irgendwie, Du hast auch so dann am zweiten Tag das Gefühl, hey, Du kennst die Leute so, sie sagt, ach, ich hab euch ja bei dem Talk vorhin gesehen, ach, Du warst bei uns am Strand und so. Das war sehr irgendwie so Familär. Familär. Genau, das wollte wollt ich grad sagen. Genau, und da ist es halt so sehr anonym und sehr schnell und sehr laut und so was alles, womit man irgendwie so gar nicht so ganz kann mit allem. Ein Programmpunkt will Gerald noch drüber sprechen. Ja, wollt ich grad wirklich. Ich weiß nicht, ob Du den meinst, aber das Coole ist, bei 15000 Leuten findest Du auch 500 Leute, die richtig Bock auf Party haben. Alter, ich weiß ganz genau, was Du meinst. Ja, findest Du auch 500 Leute, die richtig Bock auf Party haben. Alter, ich weiß ganz genau so weit. Alter, Donnerstag abends, richtig geile DJs, sehr, sehr geile Crowd und leider in der viel zu großen Halle, aber trotzdem echt eine megagute Party. Also dafür hätte ich, allein dafür hätte ich bezahlt, diese Party zu erleben. Und das war einfach so nebenbei so auf der Konferenz. Und das Geilste war eigentlich noch, dass die eine, die Jane davon am nächsten Tag auch noch Musik aufgelegt haben, umso darauf so 3 Leute davor so getanzt haben. Und sie hat halt Techno und Techhaus geballert und Ach geil. Die waren die ganze Zeit Aber das das draußen? Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, okay. Das war richtig, richtig geil. Und dann dann war es auch draußen und hat mich hingesetzt zum Essen und dachte so, ja okay, nach dem Essen ich mich dazu. Und dann hat sie einfach aufgehört. Nein. Fertig. Ja. Wollt grad tanzen gehen. Ja, das war geil. Also echt die beste, mit Abstand die beste Konferenzparty, die ich bis jetzt erlebt hab. Mhm. Stimmt, das war echt gut. Und danach sind wir einfach ins Hotel gegangen und schlafen gegangen, oder? Ja, genau. Ja, genau. Ja. Ja. Gut. Warte mal, ich wollte noch irgendwas anderes sagen. Party haben wir abgehakt. Vielleicht wollt ich das nur noch mit der Party erwähnen. Baby. Mhm. Ach ja, nee, was ich auch noch sag, genau. Der eine Punkt aus programmierbar Sicht, das war ja 1 auch der der Hauptgründe, warum wir da waren, son bisschen mal zu gucken, was könnten coole Gäste sein für den Podcast? Da haben wir so 3, 4, 5 ganz spannende Kandidat*innen und von daher hört ihr vielleicht ein zukünftig ein paar aus aus der Reihe. Wir haben vor Ort einen Podcast auch aufgenommen mit Figma. Emil, Petr Ruanda. Genau. Gut ausgesprochen. Gerade noch 'n bisschen grade 'n bisschen gezögert, weil wir müssen wir gucken, also die Aufnahme haben wir selbst noch nicht gehört und wir wollen diesmal auch 'n Experiment machen, was in Englisch auch Folge, die mit AI auf Deutsch zu übersetzen. Von daher noch nicht ganz klar, wann und wie das Ganze rauskommt, aber es ist auf jeden Fall, ist die Hoffnung, dass das veröffentlicht wird in irgendeiner Art und Weise. Ah, zumindest auf Englisch schon sehr wahrscheinlich, oder? Ich mein, ob das auf Deutsch halt so cool ist, müssen wir mal schauen. Genau. Und dann war's auch sehr schön, dass wir Leute aus der oder aus der Community, der Programmierer sozusagen getroffen haben. Das heißt, kamen Leute auf uns zu und haben gesagt, hey, Programmierer und so weiter, die uns halt hören und auch schon teilweise seit vielen Jahren hören, für die die Meet Ups 'n bisschen zu weit weg sind, weswegen sie nicht vorbeikommen können. Und ja, vielleicht können wir da noch mal ganz kurz erwähnen, wir hatten ja auch noch das Programmierbeihörerinnen treffen. Genau, ich dachte, Du wirst es nicht erwähnen. Am Vorabend, am Mittwochabend, wo wir uns im, was fürn Koksschleusenkrug Im Schleusenkrug im Zoologischen Garten. Getroffen haben, dort miteinander zu schnacken. Und Bierchen zu trinken. Und Bierchen zu trinken. Mhm. Und es war richtig gut. Ja. Wir waren am Ende zu 12, glaub ich, als Du dann kamst und es war eine saucoole Stimmung, sehr coole Gespräche, sehr lässig. Ja, sehr coole Dudes by the way in unserer Community. Also schaut doch noch mal an alle, die da waren. Ihr seid alle mega. Ja Mister Fett, ich hab dich erst am Ende erkannt, sorry, falls Du das hier hörst. Schön, ob das den so an Mister Fett. Ja, aber ist anonym, Mister Fett. Ja. So, hätte jeder sein. Ja. Nee, es war echt cool. Also ich würd's direkt wieder machen. Ich, man weiß ja immer nicht so genau, wie's so wird auf sonem Treffen, weil Du weißt ja nicht wer kommt, Du kennst die Leute ja irgendwie nicht. Es finde, es ist auch immer, finde ich, 'n bisschen eine lustige Dynamik, weil gefühlt die Person, die da kommen, die sich ja irgendwo kennen, also zumindest auch deine Stimme und deine Ja und auch in der Art son bisschen, ne. In der Art, in diese Vertrautheit und ich kenn die Leute ja gar nicht, aber es die, also es hat, war richtig cool. Ich hatte supercoole Gespräche, es sind echt sehr nette Leute gewesen. Ja. Macht mir irgendwie auch noch mal Spaß zu wissen, dass wir irgendwie so coole, eine coole Community haben Ja. Und das auch so sehen. Safe. Also ich mein, weiß ich ja schon durch die Beat ups, aber sag ich's mal, hier kommt ja schon oft so der Kreis, den man schon kennt. Ja, ausm Rhein Main Gebiet vor allem, ne. Rhein Main Gebiet. Und dann einfach Leute, die von weiter weg kommen. Genau. Sehr cool. Also tatsächlich auch mein persönliches Highlight auch von von der Konferenz jetzt sogar gewesen so irgendwie. Ja. Das das das Treffen meganeiß. Ja. Konferenz natürlich auch. Genau. Was auch cool ist, weil das dauert ja bei manchen Konferenzen dann durchaus 'n bisschen länger, weil Du eben meintest, die hatten den Youtube Livestream, ne, aber dass Du für die meisten Talks jetzt auch die Youtube Videos hast, Du, die dir dazu angucken kannst. Voll. Ich weiß gar nicht, ob die öffentlich sind. Das weiß ich auch nicht. Oder ob die Uffr. Gelistet sind. Wollen wir das mal, lass mal kurz gucken. Ansehen auf Youtube. Nicht gelistet. Nicht gelistet. Okay. Aber aber auch nicht, hätten wir's auch bisschen gewundert. Hinter irgendwas gesperrt, oder? Also Du kannst ja einfach über die Webseite drauf gehen. Wenn Du 'n Link verteilst. Genau. Über die Webseite? Wahrscheinlich nicht über die Webseite Du musst schon eingeloggt in den Haaren. Ach, Du musst eingeloggt sein. Ah ja, ja, okay. Ja. Dann kannst Du son bisschen Schuh draus. Ja. Ja, ist halt immer die Frage, 'n paar Talks will ich mir eigentlich schon gern noch mal anhören, aber oft nimmt man sich ja irgendwie nicht so richtig die Zeit dafür. Das stimmt leider, ja. Das ist ja auch der große Vorteil zu 1 Konferenz zu gehen. Ja. Selbst wenn man die Inhalte danach hat, so, man kann sich einfach dediziert die Zeit nehmen. Voll. Und da, ja, da rein. Bombe. Abschlussfrage, Dennis. Ja. Frühjahr Developers 2026, würdet ihr hingehen, ja oder nein? Das hat sich Gerald heute in 'nem internen Slack ja auch gefragt. Also tendenziell ja, also ich fand, in Summe fand ich's mehrwertig. Einzige Abwägung, die ich persönlich hab, ist so, 'n bisschen Haushalt mit auf wie vielen Veranstaltungen ich im Jahr rumlaufen will. Mhm. Und da war die Konferenz dieses Jahr, wo viele gesagt haben, hey, die war supercool und auch für meine Rolle irgendwie sehr spannend. Ich würd sagen, primär für deine Rolle sogar. Okay, dann geh ich alleine, da hab ich alle hin. Ja und genau, von daher 'n bisschen gucken, ob das ob das in den Zeitplan passt, aber grundsätzlich so als Gesamtveranstaltung für allen Gesamtding, was wir gemacht haben, fand ich cool. Aber wenn ihr da draußen schon wisst, dass ihr nächstes Jahr da hingehen wollt, dann lohnt es sich, da jetzt schon mal reinzuschauen, weil grade sind die Tickets wirklich unfassbar billig. Also ich glaub, dort meint's irgendwas 250 Euro oder so was, was bestimmt 'n, ja, keine Ahnung, 'n Drittel von dem Preises. Nee, 350, 350. Gut, aber es ist trotzdem Dann geht's los hin. Nee. Genau, das, okay, jetzt lohnt sich nicht mehr. Also es ist schon, es ist schon eine deutliche Preisredaktion. Ich glaube Und wenn man jetzt im Moment, also wenn man den größten, den größten Downern, was wir hatten mit dem Essen nicht haben will, aktuell gibt's es für 499 Euro den Kongress Pass Plus. Da hat man dann Hä, 150 Euro mehr Essen und Getränke die ganze Zeit. Kann man sich für 150 Euro dazu kaufen. Ist billiger, als wenn man sich später die normalen Eintritt auf Karten holt. Was? Ach so, okay, ja. Ich dachte, Du willst jetzt sagen, es ist billiger, als wenn man sich's Essen selber kauft, aber da musst Du schon ordentlich reinhauen. Und Dave hat's vielleicht geschafft. Ja, ich hab's geschafft. Genau. Und Studenten haben tatsächlich aktuell die Möglichkeit für 129 Euro runtergehzukaufen. 129, ja. Das ist ja okay, ja, dann geht auf jeden Fall. Schnell noch mal schnell noch mal einschreiben irgendwo noch nie. Gut. Also ach so und, Gareth, was war was war deine Aussage nächstes Jahr? Ja, ziemlich genau das, was Dennis auch sagt. Also ich bin dieses Jahr erst auch auf bisschen zu vielen Konferenzen unterwegs. Mhm. Und, also eigentlich 1 zu 1 das, was Dennis gesagt hat. Okay, krass. Wow. Ist natürlich sehr ähnlich. Und Du, Dave. 1 zu 1 das, was Garmed gesagt hat. Also seh ich auch so. Ja, wobei wie gesagt, also dadurch, dass da noch mal 'n bisschen was über den Entwicklerrand hinaus da ist und dass es halt für die programmierbar rechtfertigt ist, allein an Personal Easy Konferenz, Weat Developmentcer? Ja, ja. Da also konnten wir schon sehr gute Gäste akquirieren für unseren Podcast. Von daher lohnt sich's wahrscheinlich schon, aber ist natürlich die Frage, wie viele von uns da sein müssen. Nächstes Jahr schicken wir einfach nur Jan Gregor einfach alleine darin. Der macht das schon. Im Getriebe. Ich mein, das war ja auch der Grund, warum wir gegangen sind, weil wir dachten ja eigentlich erst, der Inhalt ist bad. Wir gehen wegen der Menge der Leute hin, so und das war's dann auch plus, dass die Vorträge gut waren. Ja. Also ja, ist schon, hat sich gelohnt. Mal gucken, wie's hier. Tipptopp. Dann vielen Dank euch beiden für die Eindrücke. Danke dir. Auch vielen Dank. Sehr gerne. Wir hören uns. Ich weiß gar nicht, wann wir das veröffentlichen. Warum aber auch Kirgmann jetzt hier? Übermorgen, übermorgen. Wir hören uns auf jeden Fall wieder in diesem Podcast. Danke fürs Zuhören. Danke fürs Kommen. Wenn ihr andere Meinung zur Konferenz habt, Alter. Wenn jemand da Objekt. Da war? Da war? Da war? Wollte da, dann Podcast at programmierbar schreiben und sagen, ey, ist nicht so, ist scheiße gewesen oder ist gut gewesen oder wie auch immer. Schreibt gerne eure Meinung, dann werden wir's in den News noch mal abheben. Und vermutlich auch, Garil, das weißt Du als Community Lead am besten, in auch unseren Discord, oder? Im Discord? Im im Thread Developers Thread. Den gibt's nicht, aber sucht euch einfach 'n einen aus, eigentlich relativ egal. Ah, okay. Aber ja, kommt mal auf den Discord. Da ist das wahre Leben sehr programmierbar, die wahre Seele. Mhm. Und die die müsst ihr die müsst ihr erleben. Yes. Bis denn. Macht's gut. Tschüssi. Tschüs. Macht's 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Ich bin Dennis Becker, wir haben am Start Ja, Morg. Und Dave Acker, Dave Krzitzky. Genau. Und wir haben uns ja zum Ziel gesetzt, wenn wir Konferenzen besuchen, die ein bisschen für euch einzuordnen und ein bisschen unsere Eindrücke zu schildern.\n\nUnd wir waren letzte Woche wieder auf 1 Konferenz und zwar auf der We are Developers. Yes.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das stimmt halt aber gar nicht, ne. Ich meine, ihr seid beide keine Developers, also was macht ihr da?\n\nSpeaker 2: Stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, da reden wir gleich drüber, warum trotzdem auch für uns\n\nSpeaker 2: genügend Inhalte dort Das passt. Oh, Cliffhanger.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber vielleicht starten wir erst mal son bisschen zum paar Fakten außen rum das ganze Ding. Es war die zehnjährige zehnjährige Ausgabe, die\n\nSpeaker 2: Wie viele Jahre? Vierjährige.\n\nSpeaker 0: 10 Jahre.\n\nSpeaker 2: 10 Jahre.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja,\n\nSpeaker 0: gibt es die via Developers jetzt. Vor 10 Jahren ist sie wohl in Wien gestartet, haben sie dort geteilt. Es waren 300 Leute, die dort waren und sie hatten 10 Speaker und Zoom in das Jahr 2025. Es ist die größte Entwicklerkonferenz.\n\nSpeaker 1: Weltweit laut der Bienen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Welt, glaub weltweit tatsächlich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, wobei also.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also die AWS Konferenz ist deutlich größer.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ich wollte gerade sagen,\n\nSpeaker 0: die Google Sachen, die waren die waren alle viel größer, aber ist egal. Ja, vielleicht eine nicht firmenorientierte Entwicklermesse.\n\nSpeaker 2: Oh, das kann sein. Oder vielleicht auch nur Europa\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja, wir\n\nSpeaker 0: sehen auch der größte Podcast Stimmt. Für App- und Webentwickler in\n\nSpeaker 2: In Deutschland.\n\nSpeaker 0: In Deutschland.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ganz genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also, ach so, also es geht Schönreden dann. Die.\n\nSpeaker 0: Weiß ich nicht. Egal. Also, es Ja. Fakt ist, es ist ziemlich groß. Ich schreiben etwas von 15000.\n\nIst schon viel.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Ich kenn nicht mal 15000 Leute, glaube ich.\n\nSpeaker 0: 15000 Teilnehmenden. Es gibt unendlich viele Tracks, also ich glaub, es gibt so was wie 14 Bühnen, Ja. Die parallel stattfinden.\n\nSpeaker 2: Dazu auch noch parallel Workshops, glaube ich, ne?\n\nSpeaker 0: Workshops gibt's auch noch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Die aber direkt ausgebucht waren, also vor 'ner halben Stunde waren die Ja, das wird gar nicht richtig Dessert, irgendwie.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Also richtig, richtig viel los.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und in Berlin Auch sehr viele Ausstellungen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Messegebäude oder in den Messehallen in Berlin, im CityQ.\n\nSpeaker 1: CUBE CityQ.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und ja, richtig, große Aussteller und das ist dann auch auch 'n bisschen anders als auf keinen Konferenz. Das halt wirklich wie auf 'ner Messe. Also die haben halt große Stände, viel viel Marketing.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was auch gleichzeitig bisschen pain ist, weil sie halt auch teilweise Konferenzen auf dem Messegelände haben und dann ist es schon oft sehr laut. Bei Menschen haben sie ja dieses Prinzip mit den Kopfhörern gehabt, also wie so Silent Talk, wie eine Silent Disco Silent Talk. Das war ganz cool, aber auf anderen Bühnen gab's das halt nicht und da war's schon sehr ablenkt. Also ich fand's schon manchmal sehr anstrengend auch. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also was, was Karel grade referenzierte, war einfach, dass in den gleichen Hallen, in einem großen Hallen, wo auch die Sponsoren sind, sind außen rum auch noch Bühnen praktisch einfach in der gleichen Halle angeordnet. Ich hab's nicht ganz so, also wenn ich nicht da gewesen wäre, hätte ich, glaub ich, nicht ganz verstanden. Danke. Genau. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber ich weiß nicht, ob Du's noch vom letzten Jahr in Erinnerung hast, Dennis, aber das war schon besser geregelt. Also ich hätt zum Beispiel Viel besser. Was? Viel besser. Viel besser.\n\nAlso genau, ich also damals waren die Talks dann wirklich offen so. Mittlerweile wurden da so Vorhänge gemacht, aber es war 'n bisschen isoliert ist. Also es war dadurch deutlich weniger ablenkend. Man konnte den Talks viel besser zuhören. Und Du hast gesagt, das gab's letztes Jahr, aber das mit dieser dieser mit diesen Silent Talks, also quasi, dass Du Kopfhörer aufsetzen konntest und dann direkt den Speaker so in deinen Ohren hattest, das sollte es angeblich letztes Jahr schon geben, hab ich gar nicht wahrgenommen.\n\nAlso siehst Du mal, war das sehr auffällig?\n\nSpeaker 0: Gab's sicher, ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und letzte Jahr hab ich's nicht wahrgenommen. Das fand ich megagut. Das war das war wirklich sensationell.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also was für mich der große, aber wir steigen sehr, sehr kreuzo quer ein in diesem Fall. Ich wollt grad sagen, sorry. Das war natürlich tatsächlich letztes Jahr, ich weiß gar nicht, ob wir eine Folge dazu gemacht haben, aber ob's einfach nur intern besprochen haben. Wir waren jetzt nicht so begeistert letztes Jahr von AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW sie haben irgendwie die Kapazitätsplanung, wer auf welcher Bühne spricht und deswegen wie viele Leute braucht, irgendwie besser hinbekommen. Denn letztes Jahr war ganz oft der Fall, es waren spannende Talks auf kleinen Bühnen, die dann völlig überfüllt waren, wo man stehen musste Mhm.\n\nIrgendwohin dran, kaum was gesehen hat. Also das ganz oft die Situation. Das hat man hier und da jetzt immer noch gesehen, Genau. Dass das passiert ist, aber nicht gefühlt nicht so der Standard, dass es sich, dass es sich nervig angefühlt hat, in sonem Talk zu gehen, sondern das war schon irgendwo besser organisiert.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich hatte schon aufm Platz, also einmal, ich muss noch einmal stehen, läuft.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber Du warst ja eher auf, glaube ich, den größeren Nee,\n\nSpeaker 1: ich war viel auf den Kleinen. Ich war viel unten.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das sind aber auch die größeren noch. Also die kleinen waren diese Stage 11, 12, 13 so. Waren wirklich nur in sonem Zwischengang unter den Treppen. Also die waren die waren wirklich klein.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was? Nee, da war's auch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach so, da war's auch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, wir haben uns echt erstaunlich wenig gesehen, ne. Also Das\n\nSpeaker 0: stimmt. Wir haben uns schon wenig gesehen. Das find ich aber auch tatsächlich ganz, das hat mir sehr gut gefallen. Ich hab mir wenig gesehen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das war mein Highlight eigentlich, nicht so wenig mit euch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nein, aber Let's go. Auch wenn man so als Unternehmen überlegt, ne, fährt man jetzt mit mehreren Leuten auf eine Konferenz. Das ist dann manchmal völlig fraglich, wenn's irgendwie einen Track gibt und dann hören sich 5 Leute genau das Gleiche an und es ist nicht so der maximale Wissensgewinn und Transfer. Hier ist einfach die Auswahl so riesig. Mhm.\n\nJa, man man kann nicht alles sich irgendwie, also bei Weitem, nur ein Bruchteil von dem, was angeboten wird, sich anhören. Und von daher, ja, haben wir uns halt auch sehr unterschiedliche Dinge rausgesucht, zu denen wir dann marschiert sind.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja und auch, also wir waren ja auch für die Programmierer da und hatten noch Merch dabei, Keinen eigenen Stand, deswegen alles im Rucksack. Aber für mich war das schon noch son bisschen Ziel, halt aktiv dafür zu network. Und das funktioniert für mich deutlich, dass wenn ich alleine unterwegs bin, weil dann bekomm ich halt irgendwann Lust, einfach mit Leuten zu quatschen. Und sonst würd ich das eigentlich immer nur mit euch machen, was ja sehr viel Spaß macht, aber dann fehlt halt so der, mit irgendwem Mama zu quatschen.\n\nJa. Deswegen fand ich das ganz gut. Es hat gepasst. Wir haben uns zum Mittagessen getroffen.\n\nSpeaker 3: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das war gut. Direkt so den den größten Bamer, weil Du gerade Mittagessen sagst, oder mach's am Ende vorher. Ach\n\nSpeaker 1: so, ja,\n\nSpeaker 3: nee, genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Lass da ganz kurz rein. Das\n\nSpeaker 2: wär man jetzt auch noch erwähnt, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, es ist halt son bisschen nervig. Ich versteh auch nicht, ich muss ehrlich gesagt, ich verstehe nicht genau, was es macht. Natürlich kostet irgendwie Essen auch viel, wenn Du's organisierst, aber es ist de facto so, die Tickets am Ende, jetzt grade gibt's Early Bird von nächstes Jahr, aber die kosten irgendwie, weiß ich nicht was, 700, 100 Euro, 100 Euro irgendwie so in den Range, also wirklich nicht nicht wenig und es sind halt keine Getränke und kein Essen inkludiert, so. Ah, es gibt fairerweise einen Wasser\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja, einen Wasserspender.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wahrscheinlich, weil das machen muss. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Leute dürfen nicht sterben, so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber da war halt auch eine Riesenschlange im Moment.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, das war, also hat sich nicht gelohnt. So.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und dann gibt's halt völlig überteuerte Food Trucks, die rumstehen, wo halt son normales Hauptgericht irgendwie 15 Euro plus kostet und da auch Riesenschlangen sind, so, ne, also mit 15000 Leuten, klar, ist schwierig, aber irgendwie fühlt man, also natürlich ist das nicht so das Wichtigste in der Konferenz, ne. Es gibt irgendwie Talks und das sind die Inhalte, wofür man irgendwie da ist. Aber das ist trotzdem, ich glaube für viele irgendwie von derfthema, dass man sich erstens darum kümmern muss, zweitens dafür anstehen muss, drittens überteuerte Preise zahlen muss und irgendwie auch keine Alternativen hast. Du kannst jetzt nicht weggehen davon im Gelände und hast dann direkt irgendwas Cooles, sondern ja bist irgendwie darauf angewiesen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das macht halt also schon einiges mit deinem Wohlbefinden so ne. Also irgendwie denk ich so, ey ist ja Alter, ich hab aber grad Durst, ich hab Hunger und so. Und irgendwie merkt dadurch, manchmal werd ich unruhig und kann da eigentlich den Talks auch gar nicht so zuhören. Und damit er beschäftigt so, okay, wie krieg ich das was zu essen, wie kann ich jetzt trinken, anstatt da wirklich mich auf die Talks komplett einzulassen. Hat trotzdem gut funktioniert, aber ich finde, dass es trotzdem, so sone kleine Ebene ist das schon.\n\nHattest\n\nSpeaker 0: Du besser.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Ich werd ja nicht so krümelig, aber\n\nSpeaker 0: es war\n\nSpeaker 2: schon so, wo ich dachte, oh.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja. Ach, keine Ahnung, zumindest so was wie kostenloser Kaffee oder so, also, keine Ahnung. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Man würde denken bei dem Budget.\n\nSpeaker 1: Es ist halt einfach 'n anderes Feeling, also auf den Konferenzen wohlspinnen, wo das Essen einfach dabei ist, fühlt sich viel besser an. So, es ist wie son All inclusive Hotel, ist einfach, ist schon geiler. Und\n\nSpeaker 2: auch, dass ich die einzige Konferenz, wo es das nicht kostenlos gab, stimmt. Stimmt. Ja, stimmt. Ich glaub, vor allem bisher, wo ich war, gab's immer was for free. Aber das ist ja nicht die die Hauptsache, denn was ich aber richtig geil fand, wo Du gesagt hast zum Beispiel auch, Warteschlangen und wie etwas überlasses ist und so was alles, was ich megageil fand, ich weiß nicht, wie aktiv ihr das genutzt hat, aber tatsächlich die diese diese Webapplikation von der Wire Developmenters,\n\nSpeaker 3: die\n\nSpeaker 2: fand ich sehr geil, weil nicht, dass man da auch nur also die Talks und sowas alles speichern konnte und sehen konnte, wohin man als nächstes muss und so, sondern ich fand auch wirklich geil so dieses, hey, gerade ist das oben überlaufen, geht mal lieber unten hin und sowas alles. Oh es regnet gerade, geht mal rein.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach diese Also\n\nSpeaker 2: es gab dann\n\nSpeaker 1: auch mal so Notications,\n\nSpeaker 2: die dann auch total praktisch waren, son bisschen auch das organisiert und strukturiert haben, sodass ich wusste, okay, jetzt stehen grade alle oben, dann gehe ich nach unten hin und da war alles frei so. Das war, das war schon mega schlau gemacht. Also ich war eigentlich echt sehr zufrieden auch mit der Erfahrung mit der App, die Sie angeboten haben.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Jetzt kommen ein Gewitter.\n\nSpeaker 1: Jetzt kommt ein Gewitter, das Bühnen,\n\nSpeaker 0: die draußen sind.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Was ist auch sehr gefallen? Die haben ja bei manchen Bühnen diese Livestreams gehabt. Über Youtube haben sie's gemacht und das hat so gut funktioniert. Ich hab teilweise einmal, ja, als ihr auf dem Messegelände wart, mich dabei war, hab ich erst son Talk einfach mit Kopfhörern gehört, der grad so live war, weil ich dachte, oh, da will ich's eigentlich hin, aber der war zu weit weg.\n\nJa. Das hat super funktioniert. Also ich war, das war die beste Erfahrung, was das dann geht, die ich bis jetzt hatte mit soner App auch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Und natürlich auch, dass Du bei den Talks auch dann Fragen stellen konntest so, also in der App. Also vielleicht 'n Standard so, sag\n\nSpeaker 3: ich mal.\n\nSpeaker 1: Da hab ich noch gedacht, das find ich auch ziemlich cool, aber meistens wurden die Fragen dann gar nicht gestellt, weil keine Zeit war. Und hätt's richtig cool gefunden, hätten die Vortragenden danach irgendwie diese Fragen noch bisschen abgearbeitet und hätten noch so drauf geantwortet oder so. Das wär so geil, weil es hatte erst, ich hatte nur so 2, 3 Fragen, die wurden halt überhaupt nicht beantworten, aber\n\nSpeaker 3: war schon\n\nSpeaker 1: auch 'n bisschen so sehr.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Das fand ich auch damals bei der NTJS eigentlich ganz cool geregelt, dass Fragen gestellt wurden und andere Leute, die Fragen hoch- oder runterworten konnten. So, Ach so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das so?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja, dass manche Sachen nicht doppelt gestellt werden oder so Fragen, die besonders cool sind, dann eher gestellt werden so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und das\n\nSpeaker 2: hat da son bisschen gefehlt, Du hast so deine Frage abgeschickt und dazu gar kein Feedback\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber es ist mit Sicherheit auch irgendwo natürlich 'n Ding der Speaker oder der Kommunikation dort. Also es waren halt, ich mein, auf soner Konferenz darfst Du die halt nicht leisten, irgendwie mega zu ziehen. Du musst sehr hart im im im im Zeitplan bleiben. Ja. Und was man ja auch sagen muss, die sind tendenziell ja relativ kurz.\n\nAlso sind alle Vorträge sind haben einen 30 Minuten Slot ganz ganz wenig Ausnahmen. Ja. Und das ist ja für einen Talk gar nicht so lang. So und in diesen 30 Minuten ist auch die Zeit für Q und A Ja. Mit drin.\n\nDas heißt, Du musst eigentlich, wenn Du Fragen beantworten willst, musst Du als Speaker in zielen auf 25 Minuten Talk, Ja. Was dann schon gar nicht mehr so viel ist. Genau. War das so?\n\nSpeaker 3: Ach ja. Ach ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Schon mit dann und dann immer 10 Minuten Wechsel zwischen den Ja, und\n\nSpeaker 0: zwischen zwischen den Talks hat man 10 Minuten Zeit, von 1 Bühne zur anderen zu rennen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das ist schon 'n bisschen Quatsch.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ah, okay, krass. Ja. Ja, das stimmt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber dafür kriegen Sie viel runter.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ist auch fair.\n\nSpeaker 0: Was gibt's denn so an Inhalte?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also 80 Prozent AI, obwohl sie heißen ja auch, glaub ich, Tech- und AI Event sozusagen. Also sie schreiben das so schon auch aus. Ah. Wundert mich nicht, aber hätte mich auch nicht gewundert, wenn's kein, also wenn's nicht ausgeschrieben wär. Ich glaub, das ist grad Riesenthema.\n\nUnd es waren bestimmt 80 Prozent AI Themen. Lustig war dann, dass ich so einen Talk gesehen hab, Blockchain. Wie entwickelst Du den Blockchain? Ich war so, hä. Ach Gott, Max.\n\nHat der so 3 Jahre gepennt oder so? Also es gab schon noch 'n paar Talks, die auch nichts damit zu tun hatten, die waren schon auch interessant.\n\nSpeaker 3: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: 'N paar davon hab ich gehört, die für mich relevant waren, auch sehr gut. Da ging's dann zum Beispiel oder auch Metathemen, fand ich auch sehr cool, zum Beispiel einfach so Geschichten von 'nem Start-up, also was musst Du mitbringen, 'n erfolgreiches Start-up in der jetzigen Zeit irgendwie gründen zu können und so. 1, der über das Medium Gaming einfach gesprochen hat, sehr cool.\n\nSpeaker 3: Wissen wir\n\nSpeaker 1: jetzt wieder, wie er heißt?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, Warren Spector. Warren. Spencer. Na, Spector. Nein, Spencer.\n\nSpeaker 1: 100 Prozent Spencer.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay, ich sag 100 Prozent nichts. Warren Spector, der zum Beispiel verantwortlich ist für die Deus-X-Reihe. Da werden ihn wahrscheinlich viele her kennen, aber auch noch andere Klassiker, die weit vor meiner Geburt reichen. Grade, schau gerade nach.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, es Warren Spector. Ich dachte, Du hast nicht so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Lass mich mal Warren Spector.\n\nSpeaker 1: Warren Spector. Ja gut.\n\nSpeaker 2: Let's go. Let's go.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und der andere, der aus 'ner Autogrammstunde heißt\n\nSpeaker 2: Meinst Du John Romero?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach, ein Urgestein, eine Legende.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Ja, das ist halt son Ding, aber na ja, machen wir erst mal inhaltlich 'n bisschen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, inhaltlich. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, fertig. Das, nein, es schneidet es auch an. Die Größe der Konferenz erlaubt Ihnen halt auch ziemlich coole Persönlichkeiten einzuladen, so ne. Das sind sind halt Leute, die jetzt nicht auf jedes Event kommen, aber die dann denken, ey, da sind 15000 Leute, die da rumhängen, da kann ich mich mal sehen lassen. Ein gibt's verschiedenste Beispiele, also ist glaube ich aus den unterschiedlichen Bereichen, wem man da irgendwie spannend oder interessant findet.\n\nDie Keynote hat Thomas Domke, das ist CEO von Github, gehalten, so. Der ist jetzt auch nicht auf jeder Konferenz und hält überall seine Vorträge. Ja. Er tut einem 'n bisschen leid in diesem Fall, denn er hat vor 3 Jahren schon mal die Keynote gehalten und damals sogar den GitHub Co Pilot vorgestellt auf der Julia Developer, also war so das Launch Event Mhm. Dafür.\n\nUnd sie hatten ein paar Schwierigkeiten mit der Demo damals und das haben sie diesmal in der, hat er diesmal in der Demo in der Keynote auch thematisiert. Und dann ist praktisch alles, was fehlschlagen konnte, ist danach auch fehlgeschlagen, ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber er hat's nicht selber gemacht. Er hat dann jemand anderes geholt und gesagt, Du machst jetzt Genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Du bist derjenige.\n\nSpeaker 2: Du machst\n\nSpeaker 1: jetzt live cool\n\nSpeaker 2: und Du bist\n\nSpeaker 1: nicht noch mal und der hat's dann komplett abbekommen. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das war traurig.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber aber auch coole Crowd muss man sagen. Ja. Also, ne, es hat nicht funktioniert und ich glaub, dem ging echt schon die Pumpe dann auf der Bühne und dann haben wir aber alle applaudiert und haben dann mal Hype gemacht so. War dann auch schön zu sehen. Es war irgendwie dann doch.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also vielleicht Das\n\nSpeaker 0: war auch wieder son Moment für mich, wo wo man so sieht, wie unterschiedlich auch irgendwo so der Kenntnisstand und der Status von künstlicher Intelligenz da draußen ist, weil das war, ne, es ging jetzt da, also der hat nichts Neues vorgestellt. Es ging letztendlich den Cloud Agent, den Sie haben, eigenständig Tasks zu machen und das andere war, was hat der live versucht zu machen? Das war der lokale Agent, ne? Genau, genau. Also einmal der der Cloud Endch, der\n\nSpeaker 3: lokale Agent.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das wollten die da zeigen, einfach nur wie gut es geht, ne?\n\nSpeaker 0: Also Genau, die wollen Snape. Genau, 'n Snape Game. Genau, 'n Snape zu 'nem Games, soner Games Suite hinzufügen. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 3: Aber ich\n\nSpeaker 1: war der Engine halt lokal, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, hinter uns zum Beispiel waren halt Leute, die ich dann so flüstern haben hören, so so, oh krass, ne voll, das geht schon und so was. Also, wo immer die ja unterschiedliche Level sind so von, okay, wir haben's jetzt auch mit den AI News und so vielleicht relativ aufm Schirm, was so möglich ist. Ja. Und für andere ist das noch völlig, wow, vielleicht auch noch mal mehr enttäuschend, wenn's dann in dem Fall nicht funktioniert hat, aber ja. Ja, hier, wie heißt der?\n\nWolfgang Irgendwas, der CTO von Amazon\n\nSpeaker 2: Meinst Du Werner Vogels?\n\nSpeaker 0: Was hab ich gesagt? Wolfgang.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wolfgang. Werre.\n\nSpeaker 2: Der Werner, genau. Ja, auch sehr großer Name. Aber da war da waren wir gar nicht. Ich war da. Was?\n\nJa, ich war da.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Jein, Du warst bei dieser bei dem Panel?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach so, ja, ich war nicht bei seinem Talk, sondern bei seinem, genau, einfach so. Ja, da war noch\n\nSpeaker 0: 'n eigener Talk.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau. Schon\n\nSpeaker 0: bei meinem Umfeld. Philipp Schmid. Philipp\n\nSpeaker 3: Schmid. Der\n\nSpeaker 0: ganz großen. Ich weiß\n\nSpeaker 2: nicht, ob ihr den kennt, ganz großer bei Google. Ja. Tatsächlich hab ich hab ich ja herausgefunden Platz 1 LinkedIn Influencer in Deutschland, was so Tech und IT Sachen angeht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Durch dieses durch diesen Post von der Influencerin da?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber wer bewertet das denn?\n\nSpeaker 2: LinkedIn. Nee, nee, nee.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ist eine Externe. Ach so. War verlinkt, ist\n\nSpeaker 3: 'n Externe.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber haben die einfach selbst gebracht? Nein. Ja, jetzt nur\n\nSpeaker 0: Externe Webseite, die das Okay. Ranks und so weiter.\n\nSpeaker 1: Props Props Props\n\nSpeaker 0: Props, wo er steht.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was? Kann ich mich da aussehen? Kann man da hinsehen?\n\nSpeaker 2: Wer wer war noch da, Dennis?\n\nSpeaker 0: Einen großen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Ich erinnere mich noch an den Andreas, Andreas Blattmann. Andreas Blattmann. Andi. Andi, er hat sich als Andi vorgestellt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Andi, der Co Founder von Black Forest Labs. Genau. Genau.\n\nSpeaker 2: Vielleicht kommt er auch noch mehr, wer weiß?\n\nSpeaker 0: Vielleicht kommt auch noch was in den Podcast hier. Das war ja auch 1 unserer Ziele. Mhm. Ich weiß nicht, ob Irrtum Tobias Schlottke, der auch CTO und Co Founder von OMR ist, auch Herr in Deutschland irgendwas, was man 'n bisschen größer kennt. Ihr habt ja auch sone riesige Konferenz in Hamburg und Podcasts et cetera, so.\n\nHat man vielleicht auch mal gehört. Ja, und viele, viele andere große Namen, keine Ahnung, Mercedes war mit ihrer CIO dort und dem CSO, wobei ich gar nicht weiß, SU, ist das Software? Und Chief Software, weiß ich nicht.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und dem CLA.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und dem CLA auf Mercedes Benz.\n\nSpeaker 1: Sales Officer. Was ist 'n bis Sales? Sales.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, es ist Sales. Ja, die hatten auch 'n, tatsächlich hatte Mercedes 'n ziemlich großen Stand, wo sie ein 1 ihrer Autos mitgebracht haben und die haben wir nicht gemacht, aber ich fand's interessant, dass man's auf 'ner Messe machen kann. Die hatten irgend eine Apple Vision Pro Experience und da hatten sie 5 oder 6 Apple Vision Pros mit und die könnte man sich dann aufziehen und da irgendwie so in diesem Messestand rumlaufen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Da waren irgendwie so 5 Leute und es sah super okkord aus, wie die sich da rumbewegt haben. Und irgendwie, das sah nicht natürlich aus, wie sie sich bewegt haben. Die haben irgendwas immer angefasst, immer auf Brusthöhe. Ja. Hat man so Quietschbewegung gemacht.\n\nIch weiß nicht, was\n\nSpeaker 0: sie getan haben. Was? So. So. Gibt's denn noch was inhaltlich, was ihr mitgenommen habt und wo ihr so sagt, ach, das war megacool, das mal so zu hören?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, gab es. Frage beendet. Nee, also ich\n\nSpeaker 0: Was ihr teilen könnt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich mein, das sind da Dinge, wo wir uns ja teilweise auch überschnitten haben, Dennis. Was ich cool fand auch, obwohl's eine Entwicklerkonferenz ist, überwiegend. Ja. Dass es ja durchaus so Leadership Talks gab, auch irgendwie so Harring Talks und so was alles. Wie machst Du son Fit irgendwie in deinem Unternehmen und so was alles.\n\nAlso sehr, sehr viele coole Sachen auch in die Richtung.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau, vielleicht da auch tatsächlich, es gibt außen rum, gibt es einen sogenannten HR Summit und einen Tech Leader Summit, die auch einfach dort stattfinden, aber die noch mal son bisschen wie eine Art Rahmenprogramm außen rum haben. Aber da gab's dann auch noch mal 2 Bühnen. Die sind dann schon, die sind ja, da kann jeder hin sozusagen, aber sie waren nicht auf dieser Hauptagenda mit drauf, weil sie vielleicht Angst haben, dass dann zu viele Leute da hinkommen oder so, weiß nicht genau, was das, was der Case dafür ist.\n\nSpeaker 1: Was meinst Du über Hauptagenner? Also Also es gab,\n\nSpeaker 2: also ich hab Nee,\n\nSpeaker 0: es gab ja auf der Webseite gab es eine große Matrix an Uhrzeit und Stages. Ja. Und auf dieser Übersicht gab es die beiden Stages nicht. Die dadrin an. Die Du hast recht?\n\nSeparat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Du hast recht? Stage 12 und 13 fehlen?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Ach Du ja, ja. Nee, also es gab ja noch Stage.\n\nSpeaker 2: Stimmt, die ist auch nicht drauf.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und ich glaube, es gab noch eine, die HR irgendwas Stage.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ah ja, krass. Okay, dann waren sie echt wirklich viel mehr.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also und das sind dann noch mal, genau, so Satellitentevents praktisch, die gleichzeitig dort stattfinden und 'n bisschen anderes Publikum ansprechen sollen oder ansprechen. So. Mhm. Also ich würde schon sagen, dass alle, die irgendwie halt mit Tech was zu tun haben, man muss nicht zwangsweise Programmierer, Programmiererin sein, dort was zu finden, sondern alles, was halt in dem Space irgendwie ist, gibt es schon viel Angebot, was spannend sein kann für einen. Seh ich auch so.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm. Und tatsächlich, ich ich mag das, dieses messeartige auch an die Stände zu gehen. Man kann Fidget Spinner gewinnen. Das war sehr cool. Ich war fand unter anderem auch cool, dass wir bei NIO waren, Dennis und ich.\n\nJa. Da noch mal was\n\nSpeaker 1: Du eurer Probefahrt ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Stimmt, die die Proben haben uns ja noch geantwortet.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, das waren ja auch dumme Zeiten, die die da vorgeschlagen haben, aber genau die Profivart müssen wir machen. Aber es war irgendwie cool, sich ins Auto reinzusetzen und einfach so die Dinger da auszutesten. Das war\n\nSpeaker 0: Muss man vielleicht dazu sagen, dass wir beide den interessant fanden privat, ihn vielleicht irgendwann mal zu kaufen und uns beiden zu teuer war, aber es ist 'n cooles Auto und da hatten wir die Möglichkeit, das mal anzufassen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja. Das Auto, das Auto anfassen. Ja, genau.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ich bin son bisschen, irgendwo ist es mir dann auch schon fast wieder son bisschen zu groß, weißt Du, dann da anzustehen, irgendwie mit dem zu reden und oder irgendwo, das ist dann son bisschen, natürlich reißen die Leute sich dann auch auf die wenigen kostenlosen Dinge, die es gibt. Also keine Ahnung, TikTok hatte einen Frozen Joghurt so, da war dann halt sone 50 Meter Schlange.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und da am Tag davor auch diesen Beutel, den ich nicht bekommen habe und ich wollt dir unbedingt diesen Beutel haben. Ja, das war die größte Frechheit, ey.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und sonst der TikTok Stand war 'n bisschen weird, weil es war das war eine riesige, also sie hatten son Plakat dort 10 Meter hoch, 10 mal 5 Meter, riesig alles und das stand son kleines Autochen, was Frozen Joghurt vergeist hat.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also das war der ganze Stand. Das war\n\nSpeaker 2: der ganze Stand. Ich hab das\n\nSpeaker 3: nicht verstanden\n\nSpeaker 2: und der wurde das nicht verstanden und wurd sogar eingetrichtert. Also es gibt am\n\nSpeaker 0: Tag, wo's vorher irgendwie was gewesen sei, weil es gab ja diese TikTok Taschen, aber vielleicht waren die nach 3 Stunden einfach durch und haben gesagt, so, ja und ab. Vielen Dank.\n\nSpeaker 3: Das heißt,\n\nSpeaker 1: weil sie's nicht brauchen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Schön war's.\n\nSpeaker 2: Wir brauchen noch die Rücksäcke von Dash Zero.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Die müssen wir auch noch kriegen. Die waren auch aus. Das passt. Ja.\n\nYes.\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber Was? Ich geborene dir, ich geborene dir den Punkt auch recht. Jetzt, wo ich auch grade so den direkten Vergleich vor Kurzem da auf der NTJS in Mannheim hatte. Mhm. Irgendwie so dieses kleinere Vertraute, ne, also 15000 Leute versus 300 oder so, was ungefähr, ist es, macht schon irgendwie was so.\n\nIrgendwie, Du hast auch so dann am zweiten Tag das Gefühl, hey, Du kennst die Leute so, sie sagt, ach, ich hab euch ja bei dem Talk vorhin gesehen, ach, Du warst bei uns am Strand und so. Das war sehr irgendwie so Familär. Familär. Genau, das wollte wollt ich grad sagen. Genau, und da ist es halt so sehr anonym und sehr schnell und sehr laut und so was alles, womit man irgendwie so gar nicht so ganz kann mit allem.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ein Programmpunkt will Gerald noch drüber sprechen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, wollt ich grad wirklich. Ich weiß nicht, ob Du den meinst, aber das Coole ist, bei 15000 Leuten findest Du auch 500 Leute, die richtig Bock auf Party haben. Alter, ich weiß ganz genau, was Du meinst. Ja, findest Du auch 500 Leute, die richtig Bock auf Party haben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Alter, ich weiß ganz genau so weit.\n\nSpeaker 1: Alter, Donnerstag abends, richtig geile DJs, sehr, sehr geile Crowd und leider in der viel zu großen Halle, aber trotzdem echt eine megagute Party. Also dafür hätte ich, allein dafür hätte ich bezahlt, diese Party zu erleben. Und das war einfach so nebenbei so auf der Konferenz. Und das Geilste war eigentlich noch, dass die eine, die Jane davon am nächsten Tag auch noch Musik aufgelegt haben, umso darauf so 3 Leute davor so getanzt haben. Und sie hat halt Techno und Techhaus geballert und\n\nSpeaker 2: Ach geil.\n\nSpeaker 1: Die waren die ganze Zeit\n\nSpeaker 2: Aber das das draußen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, ja,\n\nSpeaker 2: ja, ja, okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das war richtig, richtig geil. Und dann dann war es auch draußen und hat mich hingesetzt zum Essen und dachte so, ja okay, nach dem Essen ich mich dazu. Und dann hat sie einfach aufgehört. Nein. Fertig.\n\nJa. Wollt grad tanzen gehen. Ja, das war geil. Also echt die beste, mit Abstand die beste Konferenzparty, die ich bis jetzt erlebt hab.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm. Stimmt, das war echt gut. Und danach sind wir einfach ins Hotel gegangen und schlafen gegangen, oder? Ja, genau. Ja, genau.\n\nJa.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Gut. Warte mal, ich wollte noch irgendwas anderes sagen. Party haben wir abgehakt. Vielleicht wollt ich das nur noch mit der Party erwähnen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Baby.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Ach ja, nee, was ich auch noch sag, genau. Der eine Punkt aus programmierbar Sicht, das war ja 1 auch der der Hauptgründe, warum wir da waren, son bisschen mal zu gucken, was könnten coole Gäste sein für den Podcast? Da haben wir so 3, 4, 5 ganz spannende Kandidat*innen und von daher hört ihr vielleicht ein zukünftig ein paar aus aus der Reihe. Wir haben vor Ort einen Podcast auch aufgenommen mit Figma.\n\nSpeaker 1: Emil, Petr Ruanda.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Gut ausgesprochen. Gerade noch 'n bisschen grade 'n bisschen gezögert, weil wir müssen wir gucken, also die Aufnahme haben wir selbst noch nicht gehört und wir wollen diesmal auch 'n Experiment machen, was in Englisch auch Folge, die mit AI auf Deutsch zu übersetzen. Von daher noch nicht ganz klar, wann und wie das Ganze rauskommt, aber es ist auf jeden Fall, ist die Hoffnung, dass das veröffentlicht wird in irgendeiner Art und Weise.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah, zumindest auf Englisch schon sehr wahrscheinlich, oder? Ich mein, ob das auf Deutsch halt so cool ist, müssen wir mal schauen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Und dann war's auch sehr schön, dass wir Leute aus der oder aus der Community, der Programmierer sozusagen getroffen haben. Das heißt, kamen Leute auf uns zu und haben gesagt, hey, Programmierer und so weiter, die uns halt hören und auch schon teilweise seit vielen Jahren hören, für die die Meet Ups 'n bisschen zu weit weg sind, weswegen sie nicht vorbeikommen können. Und ja, vielleicht können wir da noch mal ganz kurz erwähnen, wir hatten ja auch noch das Programmierbeihörerinnen treffen.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau, ich\n\nSpeaker 0: dachte, Du\n\nSpeaker 2: wirst es nicht erwähnen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Am Vorabend, am Mittwochabend, wo wir uns im, was fürn Koksschleusenkrug Im Schleusenkrug im Zoologischen Garten. Getroffen haben, dort miteinander zu schnacken.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und Bierchen zu trinken. Und\n\nSpeaker 0: Bierchen zu trinken. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und es war richtig gut. Ja. Wir waren am Ende zu 12, glaub ich, als Du dann kamst und es war eine saucoole Stimmung, sehr coole Gespräche, sehr lässig.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, sehr coole Dudes by the way in unserer Community. Also schaut doch noch mal an alle, die da waren. Ihr seid alle mega.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja Mister Fett, ich hab dich erst am Ende erkannt, sorry, falls Du das hier hörst.\n\nSpeaker 1: Schön, ob das den so an Mister Fett.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, aber ist anonym, Mister Fett. Ja. So, hätte jeder sein.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Nee, es war echt cool. Also ich würd's direkt wieder machen. Ich, man weiß ja immer nicht so genau, wie's so wird auf sonem Treffen, weil Du weißt ja nicht wer kommt, Du kennst die Leute ja irgendwie nicht. Es finde, es ist auch immer, finde ich, 'n bisschen eine lustige Dynamik, weil gefühlt die Person, die da kommen, die sich ja irgendwo kennen, also zumindest auch deine Stimme und deine\n\nSpeaker 3: Ja und auch in der\n\nSpeaker 2: Art son bisschen, ne.\n\nSpeaker 1: In der Art, in diese Vertrautheit und ich kenn die Leute ja gar nicht, aber es die, also es hat, war richtig cool. Ich hatte supercoole Gespräche, es sind echt sehr nette Leute gewesen. Ja. Macht mir irgendwie auch noch mal Spaß zu wissen, dass wir irgendwie so coole, eine coole Community haben Ja. Und das auch so sehen.\n\nSafe. Also ich mein, weiß ich ja schon durch die Beat ups, aber sag ich's mal, hier kommt ja schon oft so der Kreis, den man schon kennt.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ausm Rhein Main Gebiet vor\n\nSpeaker 3: allem, ne.\n\nSpeaker 1: Rhein Main Gebiet.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und dann einfach Leute, die von weiter weg kommen. Genau. Sehr cool. Also tatsächlich auch mein persönliches Highlight auch von von der Konferenz jetzt sogar gewesen so irgendwie. Ja.\n\nDas das das Treffen meganeiß. Ja. Konferenz natürlich auch.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Was auch cool ist, weil das dauert ja bei manchen Konferenzen dann durchaus 'n bisschen länger, weil Du eben meintest, die hatten den Youtube Livestream, ne, aber dass Du für die meisten Talks jetzt auch die Youtube Videos hast, Du, die dir dazu angucken kannst. Voll. Ich weiß gar nicht, ob die öffentlich sind.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das weiß ich auch nicht.\n\nSpeaker 0: Oder ob die Uffr. Gelistet sind. Wollen wir das mal, lass mal kurz gucken. Ansehen auf Youtube. Nicht gelistet.\n\nNicht gelistet. Okay. Aber aber auch nicht, hätten wir's auch bisschen gewundert. Hinter irgendwas gesperrt, oder?\n\nSpeaker 2: Also Du kannst ja einfach über die Webseite drauf gehen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wenn Du 'n Link verteilst. Genau. Über die Webseite? Wahrscheinlich nicht über\n\nSpeaker 0: die Webseite Du musst schon eingeloggt in den Haaren.\n\nSpeaker 3: Ach, Du\n\nSpeaker 2: musst eingeloggt sein. Ah ja, ja, okay. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dann kannst\n\nSpeaker 1: Du son bisschen Schuh draus. Ja. Ja, ist halt immer die Frage, 'n paar Talks will ich mir eigentlich schon gern noch mal anhören, aber oft nimmt man sich ja irgendwie nicht so richtig die Zeit dafür.\n\nSpeaker 2: Das stimmt leider, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist ja auch der große Vorteil zu 1 Konferenz zu gehen. Ja. Selbst wenn man die Inhalte danach hat, so, man kann sich einfach dediziert die Zeit nehmen. Voll. Und da, ja, da rein.\n\nSpeaker 2: Bombe. Abschlussfrage, Dennis. Ja. Frühjahr Developers 2026, würdet ihr hingehen, ja oder nein?\n\nSpeaker 0: Das hat sich Gerald heute in 'nem internen Slack ja auch gefragt. Also tendenziell ja, also ich fand, in Summe fand ich's mehrwertig. Einzige Abwägung, die ich persönlich hab, ist so, 'n bisschen Haushalt mit auf wie vielen Veranstaltungen ich im Jahr rumlaufen will.\n\nSpeaker 2: Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und da war die Konferenz dieses Jahr, wo viele gesagt haben, hey, die war supercool und auch für meine Rolle irgendwie sehr spannend.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ich würd sagen, primär für deine Rolle sogar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay, dann geh ich alleine, da hab ich alle hin. Ja und genau, von daher 'n bisschen gucken, ob das ob das in den Zeitplan passt, aber grundsätzlich so als Gesamtveranstaltung für allen Gesamtding, was wir gemacht haben, fand ich cool.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber wenn ihr da draußen schon wisst, dass ihr nächstes Jahr da hingehen wollt, dann lohnt es sich, da jetzt schon mal reinzuschauen, weil grade sind die Tickets wirklich unfassbar billig. Also ich glaub, dort meint's irgendwas 250 Euro oder so was, was bestimmt 'n, ja, keine Ahnung, 'n Drittel von dem Preises. Nee, 350, 350.\n\nSpeaker 0: Gut, aber es ist trotzdem\n\nSpeaker 1: Dann geht's los hin. Nee.\n\nSpeaker 2: Genau, das, okay, jetzt lohnt sich nicht mehr.\n\nSpeaker 1: Also es ist schon, es ist schon eine deutliche Preisredaktion. Ich glaube Und\n\nSpeaker 0: wenn man jetzt im Moment, also wenn man den größten, den größten Downern, was wir hatten mit dem Essen nicht haben will, aktuell gibt's es für 499 Euro den Kongress Pass Plus. Da hat man dann Hä, 150 Euro mehr Essen und Getränke die ganze Zeit. Kann man sich für 150 Euro dazu kaufen. Ist billiger, als wenn man sich später die normalen Eintritt auf Karten holt. Was?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ach so, okay, ja. Ich dachte, Du willst jetzt sagen, es ist billiger, als wenn man sich's Essen selber kauft, aber da musst Du schon ordentlich reinhauen. Und Dave hat's vielleicht geschafft.\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ich hab's geschafft.\n\nSpeaker 0: Genau. Und Studenten haben tatsächlich aktuell die Möglichkeit für 129 Euro runtergehzukaufen. 129, ja. Das ist\n\nSpeaker 2: ja okay, ja, dann geht auf jeden Fall.\n\nSpeaker 1: Schnell noch mal schnell noch mal einschreiben irgendwo noch nie.\n\nSpeaker 2: Gut. Also ach so und, Gareth, was war was war deine Aussage nächstes Jahr?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ziemlich genau das, was Dennis auch sagt. Also ich bin dieses Jahr erst auch auf bisschen zu vielen Konferenzen unterwegs.\n\nSpeaker 3: Mhm. Und,\n\nSpeaker 1: also eigentlich 1 zu 1 das, was Dennis gesagt hat.\n\nSpeaker 2: Okay, krass. Wow. Ist natürlich sehr ähnlich. Und Du, Dave. 1 zu 1 das, was Garmed gesagt hat.\n\nAlso seh ich auch so. Ja, wobei wie gesagt, also dadurch, dass da noch mal 'n bisschen was über den Entwicklerrand hinaus da ist und dass es halt für die programmierbar rechtfertigt ist, allein an Personal\n\nSpeaker 1: Easy Konferenz, Weat Developmentcer?\n\nSpeaker 2: Ja, ja. Da also konnten wir schon sehr gute Gäste akquirieren für unseren Podcast. Von daher lohnt sich's wahrscheinlich schon, aber ist natürlich die Frage, wie viele von uns da sein müssen. Nächstes Jahr schicken wir einfach nur Jan Gregor einfach alleine darin. Der macht das schon.\n\nIm Getriebe.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich mein, das war ja auch der Grund, warum wir gegangen sind, weil wir dachten ja eigentlich erst, der Inhalt ist bad. Wir gehen wegen der Menge der Leute hin, so und das war's dann auch plus, dass die Vorträge gut waren. Ja. Also ja, ist schon, hat sich gelohnt. Mal gucken, wie's hier.\n\nSpeaker 0: Tipptopp. Dann vielen Dank euch beiden für die Eindrücke.\n\nSpeaker 2: Danke dir.\n\nSpeaker 1: Auch vielen Dank.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sehr gerne. Wir hören uns. Ich weiß gar nicht, wann wir das veröffentlichen. Warum aber auch Kirgmann jetzt hier? Übermorgen, übermorgen.\n\nWir hören uns auf jeden Fall wieder in diesem Podcast. Danke fürs Zuhören. Danke fürs Kommen. Wenn ihr andere Meinung zur Konferenz habt,\n\nSpeaker 2: Alter.\n\nSpeaker 0: Wenn jemand da Objekt. Da war? Da war? Da war? Wollte da, dann Podcast at programmierbar schreiben und sagen, ey, ist nicht so, ist scheiße gewesen oder ist gut gewesen oder wie auch immer.\n\nSchreibt gerne eure Meinung, dann werden wir's in den News noch mal abheben.\n\nSpeaker 2: Und vermutlich auch, Garil, das weißt Du als Community Lead am besten, in auch unseren Discord, oder? Im Discord? Im im Thread Developers Thread.\n\nSpeaker 1: Den gibt's nicht, aber sucht euch einfach 'n einen aus, eigentlich relativ egal.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ah, okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber ja, kommt mal auf den Discord. Da ist das wahre Leben sehr programmierbar, die wahre Seele. Mhm. Und die die müsst ihr die müsst ihr erleben.\n\nSpeaker 0: Yes. Bis denn.\n\nSpeaker 2: Macht's gut. Tschüssi. Tschüs. Macht's 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und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar Special in der Programmierbar.",{"text":23265,"start":425,"end":472},"Ich bin Dennis Becker, wir haben am Start Ja, Morg.",{"text":23267,"start":476,"end":494},"Und Dave Acker, Dave Krzitzky.",{"text":503,"start":499,"end":500},{"text":23270,"start":500,"end":603},"Und wir haben uns ja zum Ziel gesetzt, wenn wir Konferenzen besuchen, die ein bisschen für euch einzuordnen und ein bisschen unsere Eindrücke zu schildern.",53,{"sentences":23273,"speaker":377,"num_words":23277,"start":607,"end":675},[23274,23276],{"text":23275,"start":607,"end":669},"Und wir waren letzte Woche wieder auf 1 Konferenz und zwar auf der We are Developers.",{"text":677,"start":674,"end":675},17,{"sentences":23279,"speaker":162,"num_words":23284,"start":680,"end":757},[23280,23282],{"text":23281,"start":680,"end":708},"Das stimmt halt aber gar nicht, ne.",{"text":23283,"start":708,"end":757},"Ich meine, ihr seid beide keine Developers, also was macht ihr 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